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Hobbit Versus Hobbit

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I so agree on that "film" look and feel. I didn't even want to try The Hobbit in HFR, expecting (rightly, now I know) "that" look.

I have noticed that look on any of my friends' Samsung TV's and hate it! (BTW, I could not find a setting to change anywhere in the Samsung menus, so if someone can tell me...).

So glad that I didn't ruin my Hobbit experience and got to see at 24 at the largest screen in Arizona.

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Years ago Douglas Trumbull developed a system called Showscan that shot at 60 frames per second on 70mm film (2D, naturally). The company said that it had compared the physiological responses of people watching 24- and 60-fps versions of the same action sequences and found that they responded considerably more strongly to the 60-fps versions. It's a fact that temporal resolution at 24 fps is poor and imposes significant limitations on filmmakers -- not to mention that things only get worse when 24-fps material is presented at 60 Hz with pulldown. 3D always looks distractingly unnatural to me, but I would be interested in seeing 2D movies shot at 60 fps. This would not be hard to do with digital cinema, as opposed to the situation back in the all-film era, when 60 fps would drive costs for film stock up by 250%.

I think the soap-opera effect arises mainly from the frame interpolation used on 120- and 240-Hz LCDs. You might still not like movies actually shot at 60 Hz, but I doubt they would look like frame-interpolated video.

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As a former projectionist, I once had the opportunity of dealing with 70 mm film shot at 60 fps and I hated it. As a viewer, however, I loved it! When Sony delivered the first high-definition cameras to be used by Lucasfilm for the Star Wars prequels, I noticed in the press release that the video cameras were specially made to work at 24 fps. I couldn't figure out why if the intent was to show these films in theatres with digital projection systems and eventually deliver them to viewers with high-definition optical players where film stock load wasn't an issue.- although the format wars hadn't been resolved by then. I like my film to be smooth. I HATE the juddering that you get from 24 fps as well as the flickering on video screens in countries with 50-Hz current, but have endured it anyway. If you really like juddering, why not shoot at 16 fps, which is just a tad higher than most peoples' visual flutter fusion frequency? Whenever I read a reviewer comment that the image looked too much like video, I wonder if this was because of limited contrast ratio with which we've had with video for decades or because of the lack of judder. I will conduct my own viewing of the Hobbit in both formats and try to keep an open mind and comment back later. Give me a couple of weeks since I don't have the access than Gregory has to early releases.

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Call me a novice or a rube, but could someone explain to me the effect that refresh rate has on television viewing.
The author of this article mentions it a couple of times, but I'm really not sure what refresh rate would then be considered best for television viewing.
I do know that different tv's offer different refresh rates, but I honestly don't know which refresh rates are considered good and which are considered bad.
Is a higher refresh rate considered better or worse?
I like to watch sports and also action movies, so I'm wondering what I should look for as far as refresh rate when shopping for a new television.
Hope someone can give an informed answer on this one.
Thanks for your time.

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Thanks, Geoff Morrison, for the article pertinent to my question.

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Geoff - I saw the HFR Hobbit as well, and have been trying to describe the experience to friends, feeling I've come up a little short on "the why" the movie looked ridiculously clear but failed to engross me from a movie going experience. Your description of "film = fiction" nails it. I think we both made the same mistake. We should have gone to see the movie in 24fps first, to enjoy the movie itself, and THEN gone to the HFR version to experience the new presentation. I never wanted to leave, but I found myself SO distracted by the clarity of the picture I was seeing I couldn't suspend reality and it ruined at least half of the movie-going experience for me. Many scenes reminded me of watching the 'making of' feature at the end of a DVD, where the clothing and weapons look like costumes and cardboard and you think, wow, how do they make it look so believable in the movie? Other scenes, however, were amazing. The whole trip through the goblin caves and the riddle-fight between Bilbo and Gollum were fantastic. So therefore I'm conflicted - it is an amazing thing to see, but for most people it will wreck the movie. I've been telling friends that you need to see HFR, but you need to see the movie for itself first. It will just take a long time to get used HFR for movies. I think things like the Planet Earth series would be unreal seen in HFR.

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